新手用剎那隊

Hulohot · 發表於 14/12/2010 07:26 PM

本帖最後由 Hulohot 於 14/12/2010 11:15 PM 編輯

Gen5也推出了幾個月  唔知大家仲有冇掛住Gen4呢?
前幾天參加了PO的Gen 4 OU比賽  因為新手組隊不才  於是用了十分Famous的剎那隊
參賽的時候都忘了這隊是UU隊  而且對手有三十幾個  個個都係超勁果D老外
不過全靠剎那的強隊  嬴了Champion回來

以下是Final的戰報  其他的戰報都忘了save

Battle between Pokebasket and 剎那隊 started!

Tier: OverUsed Gen 4
Rule: Unrated
Rule: Sleep Clause
Rule: Freeze Clause
Rule: Species Clause

剎那隊 sent out Kangaskhan!
Pokebasket sent out Empoleon!

Start of turn 1
Pokebasket called Empoleon back!
Pokebasket sent out Gliscor!

Kangaskhan used Fake Out!<<<這是當然的
The foe's Gliscor lost 15% of its health!

The foe's Gliscor restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 2
剎那隊 called Kangaskhan back!
剎那隊 sent out Gastrodon!

The foe's Gliscor used U-turn!
Gastrodon lost 51 HP! (14% of its health)
Pokebasket called Gliscor back!
Pokebasket sent out Empoleon!

Gastrodon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Pokebasket: nu team?<<<對手是否想輕敵?

Start of turn 3
The foe's Empoleon used Stealth Rock!<<<給搶先放釘子了  加重我方換人壓力
Pointed stones float in the air around 剎那隊's team!

Gastrodon used Earth Power!
It's super effective!
The foe's Empoleon lost 73% of its health!
The foe's Empoleon's Sp. Def. fell!

Gastrodon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 4
The foe's Empoleon used Grass Knot!<<<企鵝九成有呢招  不換走水地是很大的失誤
It's super effective!
Gastrodon lost 320 HP! (88% of its health)

Gastrodon used Earth Power!
It's super effective!
The foe's Empoleon lost 26% of its health!
The foe's Empoleon fainted!(6-5)

Gastrodon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Pokebasket sent out Infernape!

Start of turn 5
The foe's Infernape used U-turn!
Gastrodon lost 58 HP! (15% of its health)
Gastrodon fainted!(5-5)<<<水地殘血  於是索性炮灰  這隊出現了一個很大的攻守缺口
Pokebasket called Infernape back!
Pokebasket sent out Gliscor!<<<會凍光的死了  天蠍成虛而入

The foe's Gliscor restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
剎那隊 sent out Tangrowth!
Pointed stones dug into Tangrowth!

Start of turn 6
The foe's Gliscor used Taunt!<<<會taunt的天蠍  除了大爆炸根本打不下
Tangrowth fell for the taunt!

Tangrowth can't use Leech Seed after the taunt!

The foe's Gliscor restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Tangrowth restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 7
The foe's Gliscor used U-turn!<<<蜻蜓回轉令我方顯得被動之餘  還缺乏優勢
It's super effective!
Tangrowth lost 68 HP! (19% of its health)
Pokebasket called Gliscor back!
Pokebasket sent out Zapdos!

The foe's Zapdos is exerting its Pressure!

Tangrowth used Grass Knot!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Zapdos lost 13% of its health!

The foe's Zapdos restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Tangrowth restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 8
剎那隊 called Tangrowth back!
剎那隊 sent out Torkoal!
Pointed stones dug into Torkoal!

The foe's Zapdos used Heat Wave!<<<比我會先讀一下  因為我方還在被taunt的狀態
It's not very effective...
Torkoal lost 55 HP! (17% of its health)

The foe's Zapdos restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Torkoal restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 9
The foe's Zapdos used Thunderbolt!
Torkoal lost 151 HP! (47% of its health)

Torkoal used Stealth Rock!<<<不能再被動下去  留場做炮灰吧  (新手見解: 放釘比掃釘或爆炸有更大優勢)
Pointed stones float in the air around Pokebasket's team!

The foe's Zapdos restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Torkoal restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 10
The foe's Zapdos used Thunderbolt!
A critical hit!
Torkoal lost 75 HP! (23% of its health)
Torkoal fainted!(4-5)<<<炮灰時無想過對手還有火猴  失誤了

剎那隊 sent out Kangaskhan!
Pointed stones dug into Kangaskhan!

Start of turn 11
Pokebasket called Zapdos back!
Pokebasket sent out Gliscor!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Gliscor!

Kangaskhan used Fake Out!<<<這是當然的
The foe's Gliscor lost 15% of its health!

The foe's Gliscor restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 12
The foe's Gliscor used U-turn!<<<以為我換人?
Kangaskhan lost 67 HP! (18% of its health)
Pokebasket called Gliscor back!
Pokebasket sent out Zapdos!<<<對手在幹啥???
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Zapdos!

The foe's Zapdos is exerting its Pressure!

Kangaskhan used Return!<<<很痛吧
The foe's Zapdos lost 43% of its health!

Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's Zapdos restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 13
Kangaskhan used Return!
The foe's Zapdos lost 38% of its health!<<<極慢速雷鳥
The foe's Zapdos fainted!(4-4)

Kangaskhan restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Pokebasket sent out Infernape!<<<威脅上場了
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Infernape!

Pokebasket: come on<<<對手好不耐煩

Start of turn 14
剎那隊 called Kangaskhan back!<<<下馬威還用得着  換上炮灰
剎那隊 sent out Tangrowth!
Pointed stones dug into Tangrowth!

The foe's Infernape used Close Combat!
Tangrowth lost 136 HP! (39% of its health)
The foe's Infernape's Defense fell!
The foe's Infernape's Sp. Def. fell!

Tangrowth restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 15
The foe's Infernape used Close Combat!
Tangrowth lost 116 HP! (34% of its health)
The foe's Infernape's Defense fell!
The foe's Infernape's Sp. Def. fell!
Tangrowth fainted!(3-4)

剎那隊 sent out Skuntank!
Pointed stones dug into Skuntank!

Start of turn 16
Pokebasket called Infernape back!
Pokebasket sent out Gliscor!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Gliscor!

Skuntank used Sucker Punch!<<<新手心理大失誤  對手不是新手我才是  應該用追擊  威脅還未解除
But it failed!

The foe's Gliscor restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
Skuntank restored a little HP using its Black Sludge!

Start of turn 17
The foe's Gliscor used Taunt!<<<對手在幹啥???X2
Skuntank fell for the taunt!

Skuntank used Explosion!<<<好機會!!!
The foe's Gliscor lost 72% of its health!
The foe's Gliscor fainted!
Skuntank fainted!(2-3)

剎那隊 sent out Toxicroak!
Pointed stones dug into Toxicroak!

Pokebasket sent out Tyranitar!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Tyranitar!

The foe's Tyranitar's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!

Start of turn 18
Toxicroak used Brick Break!<<<輕鬆
It's super effective!
The foe's Tyranitar lost 87% of its health!
The foe's Tyranitar fainted!(2-2)

The sandstorm rages!
Toxicroak is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Toxicroak restored a little HP using its Black Sludge!
Pokebasket sent out Infernape!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Infernape!

Start of turn 19
剎那隊 called Toxicroak back!
剎那隊 sent out Kangaskhan!
Pointed stones dug into Kangaskhan!

The foe's Infernape used Fire Blast!
Kangaskhan lost 268 HP! (75% of its health)<<<想不到威力這麼大  還以為之後能Fake掉它
Kangaskhan fainted!(1-2)

The sandstorm rages!
The foe's Infernape is buffeted by the sandstorm!
剎那隊 sent out Toxicroak!
Pointed stones dug into Toxicroak!

Pokebasket: gg<<<言之過早
Pokebasket: u win i think<<<但願如是

Start of turn 20
Toxicroak used Sucker Punch!<<<博會心  可惜
It's not very effective...
The foe's Infernape lost 18% of its health!

The foe's Infernape used Fire Blast!
The attack of the foe's Infernape missed!<<<幸運!!!

The sandstorm rages!
The foe's Infernape is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Toxicroak is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Toxicroak restored a little HP using its Black Sludge!
Pokebasket: i a going to lose for hax
Pokebasket: later dont say haxer, haxer<<<有冇人幫忙講解這兩句意思

Start of turn 21
Toxicroak used Sucker Punch!
It's not very effective...
The foe's Infernape lost 4% of its health!
The foe's Infernape fainted!(1-1)

The sandstorm rages!
Toxicroak is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Toxicroak restored a little HP using its Black Sludge!
Pokebasket sent out Starmie!
Pointed stones dug into the foe's Starmie!

Start of turn 22
Toxicroak used Sucker Punch!
But it failed!

The foe's Starmie used Recover!<<<對手這步真的不錯
The foe's Starmie regained health!

The sandstorm rages!
The foe's Starmie is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Toxicroak is buffeted by the sandstorm!
Toxicroak restored a little HP using its Black Sludge!

Start of turn 23
Toxicroak used Sucker Punch!
It's super effective!
A critical hit!<<<RP X2
The foe's Starmie lost 93% of its health!
The foe's Starmie fainted!(1-0)<<<對手在幹啥???X3

剎那隊 won the battle!

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總結:  #4 我沒有換走水地被打開缺口  #20#23  RP了對手

我的失誤太多了  還要多向各位學習  希望各高手給予在下意見
可以的話也請講解一下 #12#17#23  對手在做甚麼

ho915 · 發表於 14/12/2010 08:42 PM

本帖最後由ｈo 於 14/12/2010 11:18 PM 編輯

#12,17是他笨/腦殘/手殘

你應慶幸他將雷鳥和天蠍直接送死..才贏了
#23是他寧願放棄也不搏一持耗pp的心理戰..而且剩1/8血的毒蟾蜍能被海星10w/冰光所殺嗎(?

zzZ不得不編輯帖子來佩服=w=大那麼詳細地分析Zzz

[GD]ricky · 發表於 14/12/2010 10:21 PM

本帖最後由 ricky2413 於 14/12/2010 10:22 PM 編輯

#12先不管換下什麼
對方先假設袋獸有冰拳,下場當然正確
先假設袋獸要走也沒問題,也許對方忘了冰拳,而想到袋獸沒力打天蠍(接下來不說了)
當然換雷鳥很不智

Start of turn 13
Kangaskhan used Return!
The foe's Zapdos lost 38% of its health!<<<極慢速雷鳥
雷鳥慢過袋獸有問題麼....?
也許我太小看見袋獸了...
反而天蠍快過袋獸才覺得有問題...

以上為新手意見。

DunDun · 發表於 14/12/2010 11:11 PM

本帖最後由 =w= 於 14/12/2010 11:13 PM 編輯

．樓主沒有充分利用毒蟾特性和屬性的結合而帶來對水系精靈的高抵抗力，對上企鵝就應該上毒蟾了，沒必要用海蝸牛硬拼。這是很大的敗筆。
．火猴對你的牽制很大，火猴上場後，你依然沒有保護能對抗火猴的東西。
．因為海蝸牛掛了，你失去對天蠍的可靠戰力，臭鼬留作炸天蠍的炮彈，本來可以用來炸雷鳥的。
．11回合的下馬威不是理所當然的。
．太多無意義的炮灰，也不適當，損失了不少機會和戰力。

#12
對手不錯是先讀古蔓藤的上場，也是因為認為袋獸難以對天蠍造成大打擊而估計你換人，
蜻蜓返同時用作下場、讀蔓藤、後讀三個作用，不料你沒換人，而被迫換上雷鳥。
不過這也是他的換人失誤，應該上巨甲抵抗袋獸的本系。

#17
處於對手的角度，是認為臭鼬打不死天蠍，可能會對天蠍使用變化招式吧。
這裡對手讀過頭了。

#23
我只能說不會心打不死。

那兩句是說你太幸運了。
你這場對戰贏，也是因為幾個關鍵的RP，也因為對手的幾個大失誤。

[GW]MEMORY · 發表於 14/12/2010 11:57 PM

．樓主沒有充分利用毒蟾特性和屬性的結合而帶來對水系精靈的高抵抗力，對上企鵝就應該上毒蟾了，沒必要用海 ...
=w= 發表於 14/12/2010 11:11 PM

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戰報區久違(?)的用心回覆adore
可以只是拜帖嗎zzz

turn 20 的RP真是...

ilw · 發表於 15/12/2010 12:06 AM

hax和noob也是po老外常用的字眼
字典沒這2字,可能是些網上術語吧
根據經驗推斷,前者是說些幸運的人,後者就是些依賴高種物的人
後者貌似有些眨意成份...

ho915 · 發表於 15/12/2010 12:26 AM

...Start of turn 13
Kangaskhan used Return!
The foe's Zapdos lost 38% of its health!<<<極慢速雷鳥
雷鳥慢過袋獸有問題麼....?
也許我太小看見袋獸了...
反而天蠍快過袋獸才覺得有問題 ...
ricky2413 發表於 14/12/2010 10:21 PM

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讓我這新手補充一下吧zzZ
雷鳥慢過袋獸是沒問題, 縱使雷鳥速種100,袋獸90
有頗多人不跟標配, 不極限速去, 比袋獸慢也算是有點"正常"吧

天蠍速種95, 袋獸90
兩者同時極限速去的話, 天蠍快過袋獸反而沒問題

但那個對手的天蠍究竟是物盾還是速攻手(? 這個可不知道了(但有蜻蜓返似是速攻?)

柏爾 · 發表於 15/12/2010 04:16 PM

讓我這新手補充一下吧zzZ
雷鳥慢過袋獸是沒問題, 縱使雷鳥速種100,袋獸90
有頗多人不跟標配, 不極限速去 ...
ｈo 發表於 15/12/2010 12:26 AM

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我諗標配雷鳥都唔會快過袋獸
話哂係新環境底下要用雷鳥做攻手既不如用雷神
所以現今雷鳥大多作盾用
天蠍有虫返都未必代表係速攻手
有部分人既配法會係將速修到快過某d pm, 挑撥跟虫返
用黎針對盾牌同後讀

[GW]MEMORY · 發表於 15/12/2010 05:59 PM

我諗標配雷鳥都唔會快過袋獸
話哂係新環境底下要用雷鳥做攻手既不如用雷神
所以現今雷鳥大多作盾用
天 ...
柏爾發表於 15/12/2010 04:16 PM

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新環境下雷鳥有避雷針特性
還有鳥休帶來的續戰力
做攻手不如雷神這點有保留

當然做盾的話雷鳥的確比雷神適合

4代的盾型雷鳥大概是為了擋下螳螂袋鼠等常見攻手
考慮物耐分配和針對性的速度
(如極速袋鼠為262速針對袋鼠的話就加速至263 其餘努力分配給特攻物耐)
慢過90速的袋獸不足為奇(?)

EHO · 發表於 16/12/2010 09:50 AM

本帖最後由 edmondho710 於 16/12/2010 10:22 AM 編輯

很遺憾我沒玩gen4比賽
gen5算吧,,
很多致命失誤- -我都不多評了

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