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發表於 31/8/2013 12:19 PM | 只看該作者 回帖獎勵 |倒序瀏覽 |閱讀模式
本帖最後由 zero0079 於 9/9/2013 12:34 AM 編輯

隊伍構築過程

最近先後組過分別以頭巾混混、黑魯加、烈火猴為軸心的隊伍,但使用下來卻相當不順手,在PO大房的分數也是每況愈下。直到組成這隊以斗笠菇為核心的隊伍,感覺相當配合自己的模式,勝率也止跌回升。
不過,在本篇戰報裡斗笠菇卻一下子就陣亡了…

隊伍資訊


                               
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斗笠菇 Lv.100
* 特性:技師
* 性格:Adamant, +攻-特攻
* 個體:31/31/31/31/31/31
* 努力:0/252/4/0/0/252
* 道具:氣息腰帶
* 技能:種子機關槍/音速拳/發勁/蘑菇胞子

其實就是剎那晴隊的斗笠菇,對抗不同類型的首發也相當有利,強大的攻擊力與先制技能夠發揮非常好的清殘效果,還好的速度加上胞子更是應對低速物盾的絕好配搭。


                               
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赤面龍 Lv.100
* 特性:鯊魚皮
* 性格:Adamant, +攻-特攻
* 個體:31/31/31/31/31/31
* 努力:104/252/112/0/0/40
* 道具:剩飯
* 技能:龍爪/突襲/地震/岩礫

赤面龍是隊中的奇襲要員,配招(又)是參考剎那風林火山隊的赤面龍,努力值則是根據自己的偏好配搭的。


                               
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電燈怪 Lv.100
* 特性:蓄電
* 性格:Calm, +特防-物攻
* 個體:31/31/31/31/31/31
* 努力:40/0/0/208/220/40
* 道具:剩飯
* 技能:沸水/放電/治療鈴聲/電擊交替

個人相當喜愛的PM,可愛的造型加上可靠的HP特防數值,是隊裡重要的特盾,同時是防禦雷冰打擊面的主力隊員。沸水使得其對攻優勢,在對上雷鳥等具回復技能的特攻手也得以展現。在戰報隊可以發現電燈怪在對上沒有陰謀的靈獸雷電雲時也佔據優勢,其表現實在相當亮眼。另外在對上雨隊時,電燈怪也能發揮穩健的表現,抵抗飛雷水屬性的強攻,其對攻優勢也會隨著雨天天氣的附帶效果而更明顯。


                               
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盔甲鳥 Lv.100
* 特性:堅硬
* 性格:Impish, +物防-特攻
* 個體:31/31/31/31/31/31
* 努力:200/200/68/0/0/40
* 道具:剩飯
* 技能:戰鳥無懼/撒菱/吹飛/鳥羽棲息

本隊的物盾,飛行屬性大大減輕了本隊對地系攻擊的壓力,兼職撒菱是與赤面龍的配合。在戰報裡因赤面龍陣亡未能撒下岩礫,撒菱的效果亦因而體現出來。吹飛的破強化效果對本隊相當重要,因隊伍裡缺乏強化技能,在對上強化型的PM時會相對吃力,吹飛則或多或少緩和了這狀態。


                               
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奉神犬 Lv.100
* 特性:威嚇
* 性格:Adamant, +物攻-特攻
* 個體:31/31/31/31/31/31
* 努力:4/252/0/0/0/252
* 道具:剩飯
* 技能:火焰驅進/神速/近戰/咬碎

本隊在斗笠菇以外的另一攻擊手,配上神速解決隊上速度低下的問題,威嚇特性能在一定程度上減低盔甲鳥的壓力,沒有極限速度是因為希望能夠保留攻力之餘,能夠以剩飯(而非命玉、逹人腰帶等)提高續戰力。


                               
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太陽伊貝 Lv.100
* 特性:魔裝反射
* 性格:Modest, +特攻-物攻
* 個體:31/30/30/31/31/31
* 努力:4/0/0/252/0/252
* 道具:專愛圍巾
* 技能:精神念力/覺醒冰/接力棒/戲法

本隊為彌補速度不足而配上的PM,我曾嘗試過以極速專愛眼鏡代替現時的配置,但發覺隊伍面對350速度以上的PM時相當無奈,因而改為以專圍極限特攻代替。強力的特攻能夠彌補電燈怪在輸出上不足的缺撼,此外專圍戲法也是對付低速強化型或盾牌型PM的對策,使太陽伊貝能夠在不同層面上影響戰況。
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 樓主| 發表於 31/8/2013 12:19 PM | 只看該作者
本帖最後由 zero0079 於 31/8/2013 01:20 PM 編輯

Battle between Fung and lon started!

Tier:No Preview OU
Mode:Singles
Rule:Rated
Rule:Sleep Clause
Rule:Species Clause
Variation:+23, -9    現在才發現分數差距o o"

Fung sent out Breloom!
lon sent out 象牙猪! (Mamoswine)

Start of turn 1
The foe's 象牙猪 used Icicle Spear!    悲劇的第一回合,忘記了象牙豬的速度優勢,本隊的核心斗笠菇就此犧牲了
It's super effective!
A critical hit!
Breloom lost 246 HP! (94% of its health)
我就是白 is watching the battle.
Breloom lost 15 HP! (5% of its health)
Breloom fainted!
Hit 2 time(s)!

Fung sent out Arcanine!

Arcanine intimidates the foe's 象牙猪!
The foe's 象牙猪's Attack fell!

Start of turn 2
lon called 象牙猪 back!
lon sent out 席多蓝恩! (Heatran)

Arcanine used Flare Blitz!
The foe's 席多蓝恩's Flash Fire raised the power of its Fire-type moves!

Start of turn 3
lon called 席多蓝恩 back!
lon sent out 天然鸟! (Xatu)

Arcanine used Close Combat!
It's not very effective...
The foe's 天然鸟 lost 10% of its health!
Arcanine is hurt by the foe's 天然鸟's Rocky Helmet!
Arcanine's Defense fell!
Arcanine's Sp. Def. fell!

Arcanine restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 4
Arcanine used Crunch!
It's super effective!
The foe's 天然鸟 lost 53% of its health!    沒有配帶命玉還能打出超過一半的傷害令人滿意,不過如果對方的道具是剩飯,恐怕會變得相當膠著
Arcanine is hurt by the foe's 天然鸟's Rocky Helmet!

The foe's 天然鸟 used Thunder Wave!
Arcanine is paralyzed! It may be unable to move!

Arcanine restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 5
The foe's 天然鸟 used Roost!
The foe's 天然鸟 landed on the ground!
The foe's 天然鸟 regained health!

Arcanine used Close Combat!    錯誤地讀換,現在想來,對方掌握速度優勢當然不會輕易換人
It's not very effective...
The foe's 天然鸟 lost 18% of its health!
Arcanine is hurt by the foe's 天然鸟's Rocky Helmet!
Arcanine's Defense fell!
Arcanine's Sp. Def. fell!

Arcanine restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 6
lon called 天然鸟 back!
lon sent out 席多蓝恩! (Heatran)

Fung called Arcanine back!
Fung sent out Skarmory!

Start of turn 7
Fung called Skarmory back!
Fung sent out Arcanine!

Arcanine intimidates the foe's 席多蓝恩!
The foe's 席多蓝恩's Attack fell!
The foe's 席多蓝恩 used Stealth Rock!
Pointed stones float in the air around Fung's team!

Arcanine restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 8
lon called 席多蓝恩 back!
lon sent out 天然鸟! (Xatu)

Arcanine used Crunch!
It's super effective!
The foe's 天然鸟 lost 47% of its health!
Arcanine is hurt by the foe's 天然鸟's Rocky Helmet!

Arcanine restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 9
Arcanine used ExtremeSpeed!    藉神速的先制優勢阻止天然鳥的回復
The foe's 天然鸟 lost 19% of its health!
The foe's 天然鸟 fainted!
Arcanine is hurt by the foe's 天然鸟's Rocky Helmet!

Arcanine restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
lon sent out 象牙猪! (Mamoswine)

Start of turn 10
Fung called Arcanine back!
Fung sent out Skarmory!
Pointed stones dug into Skarmory!

The foe's 象牙猪 used Earthquake!
It had no effect on Skarmory!

Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 11
lon called 象牙猪 back!
lon sent out 雷电云-灵兽! (Thundurus-T)

Skarmory used Spikes!
Spikes were scattered all around the feet of lon's team!

Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 12        相當關鍵的一回合,其實我是以必死的心態再撒把菱,順便探招,但如果對方本回合是使用雷屬性攻擊使我方瀕死,後半戰局將會完全扭轉
The foe's 雷电云-灵兽 used Grass Knot!
It's not very effective...
Skarmory lost 48 HP! (14% of its health)
The foe's 雷电云-灵兽 is hurt by its Life Orb!

Skarmory used Spikes!
Spikes were scattered all around the feet of lon's team!

Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 13
Fung called Skarmory back!
Fung sent out Lanturn!
Pointed stones dug into Lanturn!

The foe's 雷电云-灵兽 used Thunder!
Lanturn's Volt Absorb absorbs the attack!

Start of turn 14
lon called 雷电云-灵兽 back!
lon sent out 卡比兽! (Snorlax)
The foe's 卡比兽 is hurt by spikes!

Lanturn used Heal Bell!    本回合電燈怪藉其優勢發揮隊醫職責,恢復奉神犬的速度優勢及麻痺的不安定因素
A bell chimed!

The foe's 卡比兽 restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 15
Lanturn used Volt Switch!
The foe's 卡比兽 lost 11% of its health!
Fung called Lanturn back!
Fung sent out Skarmory!
Pointed stones dug into Skarmory!

The foe's 卡比兽 used Body Slam!
It's not very effective...
Skarmory lost 45 HP! (14% of its health)

Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's 卡比兽 restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 16
Skarmory used Roost!
Skarmory landed on the ground!
Skarmory regained health!

The foe's 卡比兽 used Fire Punch!
It's super effective!
Skarmory lost 90 HP! (28% of its health)

Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's 卡比兽 restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 17
lon called 卡比兽 back!
lon sent out 席多蓝恩! (Heatran)
The foe's 席多蓝恩 is hurt by spikes!

Skarmory used Brave Bird!
It's not very effective...
The foe's 席多蓝恩 lost 21% of its health!
Skarmory is damaged by recoil!

Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 18
Fung called Skarmory back!
Fung sent out Druddigon!    這回合有一點猶豫,因為如果先讀錯誤就會令盔甲鳥或電燈怪其中一者重傷,故換上了有火抗性的赤面龍應對
Pointed stones dug into Druddigon!

The foe's 席多蓝恩 used Earth Power!
Druddigon lost 124 HP! (38% of its health)

Druddigon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 19
lon called 席多蓝恩 back!
lon sent out 巨钳螳螂! (Scizor)
The foe's 巨钳螳螂 is hurt by spikes!

Druddigon used Earthquake!
The foe's 巨钳螳螂 lost 36% of its health!

Druddigon restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 20    這兩回合赤面龍發揮了其獨特優勢,以其攻擊力、突襲技能和特性,打擊對方的專愛道具PM
Druddigon used Sucker Punch!
It's not very effective...
The foe's 巨钳螳螂 lost 15% of its health!

The foe's 巨钳螳螂 used U-turn!
A critical hit!
Druddigon lost 197 HP! (61% of its health)
Druddigon fainted!
Druddigon's Rough Skin hurts the foe's 巨钳螳螂
lon called 巨钳螳螂 back!
lon sent out 席多蓝恩! (Heatran)
The foe's 席多蓝恩 is hurt by spikes!

Fung sent out Arcanine!
Pointed stones dug into Arcanine!

Arcanine intimidates the foe's 席多蓝恩!
The foe's 席多蓝恩's Attack fell!

Start of turn 21
The foe's 席多蓝恩 used Earth Power!        我實在相當大意,在前幾回合竟然沒有留意到對方火鋼的道具,以至形成了三對五的劣勢
It's super effective!
Arcanine lost 97 HP! (30% of its health)
Arcanine fainted!

Fung sent out Skarmory!
Pointed stones dug into Skarmory!

Start of turn 22
lon called 席多蓝恩 back!
lon sent out 巨钳螳螂! (Scizor)
The foe's 巨钳螳螂 is hurt by spikes!    慶幸赤面龍的表現使巨鉗螳螂只剩下最後一次出場機會

Skarmory used Roost!
Skarmory landed on the ground!
Skarmory regained health!

Start of turn 23
The foe's 巨钳螳螂 used Superpower!
Skarmory lost 155 HP! (48% of its health)
The foe's 巨钳螳螂's Attack fell!
The foe's 巨钳螳螂's Defense fell!

Skarmory used Whirlwind!    而這次機會則以盔甲鳥的吹飛告終。
The foe's 席多蓝恩 is hurt by spikes!
The foe's 席多蓝恩 was dragged out!

Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 24
Fung called Skarmory back!
Fung sent out Lanturn!
Pointed stones dug into Lanturn!

The foe's 席多蓝恩 used Flamethrower!    對手太急於解放卡比獸和象牙豬,卻反而造就了機會給電燈怪,如果此回合火鋼重創了電燈怪,戰況大概會有很大不同
It's not very effective...
Lanturn lost 70 HP! (17% of its health)

Lanturn restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 25
lon called 席多蓝恩 back!
lon sent out 卡比兽! (Snorlax)
The foe's 卡比兽 is hurt by spikes!

Lanturn used Scald!
The foe's 卡比兽 lost 13% of its health!
The foe's 卡比兽 was burned!

Lanturn restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's 卡比兽 restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's 卡比兽 was hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 26
Lanturn used Volt Switch!
The foe's 卡比兽 lost 13% of its health!
Fung called Lanturn back!
Fung sent out Skarmory!
Pointed stones dug into Skarmory!

The foe's 卡比兽 used Body Slam!
It's not very effective...
Skarmory lost 22 HP! (6% of its health)

Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's 卡比兽 restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's 卡比兽 was hurt by its burn!

Start of turn 27
Skarmory used Roost!
Skarmory landed on the ground!
Skarmory regained health!

The foe's 卡比兽 used Rest!
The foe's 卡比兽 went to sleep and became healthy!

Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 28
Skarmory used Spikes!
Spikes were scattered all around the feet of lon's team!

The foe's 卡比兽 is fast asleep.
The foe's 卡比兽 used Sleep Talk!
The foe's 卡比兽 used Body Slam!
It's not very effective...
Skarmory lost 39 HP! (12% of its health)

Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 29
The foe's 卡比兽 is fast asleep.
The foe's 卡比兽 used Sleep Talk!
The foe's 卡比兽 used Rest!
But it failed!

Skarmory used Whirlwind!
The foe's 巨钳螳螂 is hurt by spikes!
The foe's 巨钳螳螂 fainted!
The foe's 巨钳螳螂 was dragged out!

Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
lon sent out 雷电云-灵兽! (Thundurus-T)

Start of turn 30
Fung called Skarmory back!
Fung sent out Lanturn!
Pointed stones dug into Lanturn!

The foe's 雷电云-灵兽 used Thunder!
The attack of the foe's 雷电云-灵兽 missed!

Lanturn restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 31
lon called 雷电云-灵兽 back!
lon sent out 卡比兽! (Snorlax)
The foe's 卡比兽 is hurt by spikes!

Lanturn used Scald!
The foe's 卡比兽 lost 15% of its health!

Lanturn restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's 卡比兽 restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 32
Lanturn used Volt Switch!
The foe's 卡比兽 lost 11% of its health!
Fung called Lanturn back!
Fung sent out Skarmory!
Pointed stones dug into Skarmory!

The foe's 卡比兽 is fast asleep.
The foe's 卡比兽 used Sleep Talk!
The foe's 卡比兽 used Body Slam!
It's not very effective...
Skarmory lost 41 HP! (12% of its health)

Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's 卡比兽 restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 33
Skarmory used Brave Bird!
The foe's 卡比兽 lost 42% of its health!
Skarmory is damaged by recoil!

The foe's 卡比兽 is fast asleep.
The foe's 卡比兽 used Sleep Talk!
The foe's 卡比兽 used Fire Punch!
It's super effective!
Skarmory lost 96 HP! (29% of its health)

Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's 卡比兽 restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 34    由於失去斗笠菇和奉神犬的格鬥屬性輸出,唯一能能撼動卡比獸的就是盔甲鳥。
Skarmory used Roost!
Skarmory landed on the ground!
Skarmory regained health!

The foe's 卡比兽 woke up!
The foe's 卡比兽 used Rest!
The foe's 卡比兽 went to sleep and became healthy!

Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 35
Skarmory used Brave Bird!
The foe's 卡比兽 lost 45% of its health!
Skarmory is damaged by recoil!

The foe's 卡比兽 is fast asleep.
The foe's 卡比兽 used Sleep Talk!
The foe's 卡比兽 used Body Slam!
It's not very effective...
Skarmory lost 38 HP! (11% of its health)

Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's 卡比兽 restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 36
Skarmory used Brave Bird!
The foe's 卡比兽 lost 44% of its health!
Skarmory is damaged by recoil!

The foe's 卡比兽 is fast asleep.
The foe's 卡比兽 used Sleep Talk!
The foe's 卡比兽 used Rest!
But it failed!

Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
The foe's 卡比兽 restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 37
Skarmory used Brave Bird!
The foe's 卡比兽 lost 23% of its health!
The foe's 卡比兽 fainted!
Skarmory is damaged by recoil!

Skarmory restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
lon sent out 席多蓝恩! (Heatran)
The foe's 席多蓝恩 is hurt by spikes!

Start of turn 38
Fung called Skarmory back!
Fung sent out Lanturn!
Pointed stones dug into Lanturn!

The foe's 席多蓝恩 used Flamethrower!    對手再次與重創電燈怪的機會擦身而過
It's not very effective...
Lanturn lost 73 HP! (18% of its health)

Lanturn restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 39
The foe's 席多蓝恩 used Flamethrower!
It's not very effective...
Lanturn lost 77 HP! (19% of its health)

Lanturn used Scald!
It's super effective!
The foe's 席多蓝恩 lost 4% of its health!
The foe's 席多蓝恩 fainted!

Lanturn restored a little HP using its Leftovers!
lon sent out 雷电云-灵兽! (Thundurus-T)

Start of turn 40    配帶上命玉的靈獸雷電雲也只對電燈怪造成3成傷害,而電燈怪卻有著剩飯回復的優勢,相較底下,靈雲失去了約5成血量,電燈怪就只失去了約2成半,充分表現出電燈怪的對攻優勢
The foe's 雷电云-灵兽 used Grass Knot!
It's super effective!
Lanturn lost 122 HP! (30% of its health)
The foe's 雷电云-灵兽 is hurt by its Life Orb!

Lanturn used Scald!
The foe's 雷电云-灵兽 lost 36% of its health!

Lanturn restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

Start of turn 41
The foe's 雷电云-灵兽 used Grass Knot!
It's super effective!
Lanturn lost 84 HP! (20% of its health)
Lanturn fainted!
The foe's 雷电云-灵兽 is hurt by its Life Orb!

Fung sent out Espeon!
Pointed stones dug into Espeon!

Start of turn 42
Espeon used Psychic!
The foe's 雷电云-灵兽 lost 34% of its health!
The foe's 雷电云-灵兽 fainted!

lon sent out 象牙猪! (Mamoswine)
The foe's 象牙猪 is hurt by spikes!

Start of turn 43
Espeon used Psychic!
A critical hit!
The foe's 象牙猪 lost 75% of its health!
The foe's 象牙猪 fainted!

Fung won the battle!
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發表於 3/9/2013 05:59 PM | 只看該作者
覺醒冰但個體還可以31/31/31/31/31/31這個有趣...
turn1的失誤太大了吧
turn5對方不換人大概是因為想用頭盔慢慢耗而不是單純因為掌握速度優勢吧
turn19,20個人認為放了岩釘比打過去更能牽制對手吧,不但白白送了赤面龍,更送了對方火鋼的進攻機會
turn24對方大概不是"太急於解放卡比獸和象牙豬"吧,要解放象牙豬的話這回合上就已經可以了,火鋼血量不多,讀錯的話血量不足以再次上場,求穩的心態下大概火放比較合適吧
如果對方能掌握到象牙豬還有火鋼帶給這隊的壓力大概結果會不一樣吧...另外樓主這隊貌似對上強力特攻向精靈會比較吃力
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 樓主| 發表於 9/9/2013 12:55 AM | 只看該作者
覺醒冰但個體還可以31/31/31/31/31/31這個有趣...
turn1的失誤太大了吧
turn5對方不換人大概是因為想用頭 ...
tommy0405 發表於 3/9/2013 05:59 PM



    謝謝回覆!
太陽伊貝那裡, 因為PM的數據都是copy自同一模板所以有誤, 已修正
turn 5那兒大概打法不同, 我不會在這情況下留場
turn 19, 20不過無可否認赤面龍的確打擊了巨鉗螳螂這主攻手, 其實當時是想著對方的天然鳥已死, 地震應該是穩賺的的心態來選擇; 至於火鋼的進攻機會不是因為沒放岩釘的關係, 而是因為我沒意識到火鋼的道具而放出奉神犬
turn 24但火鋼對上電燈怪還是得退場
象牙豬感覺的確難應對, 火鋼卻不算難對付
另外強力特攻向是指龍系們? 抑或強化型?
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發表於 21/9/2013 09:47 PM | 只看該作者
赤面龍用攻擊技當然能打擊到對手,但放岩釘卻能打擊到對面全部對手,樓主知道對方的天然鳥已死,卻忽略了對方雷神未死,地震是否穩賺呢?放岩釘進一步給予對方壓力個人認為比較合適吧,而且對付TL還有鋼鳥這道防線,還很穩的
嘛...火鋼的進攻機會當然不是因為沒放岩釘的關係...只是一上場就已經是進攻機會...
turn24對手用的是大地之力看看退的是那一邊
嘛...樓主在戰報中提防著火鋼每一次的進攻,卻認為火鋼不難對付這有點矛盾啊...只要對面讀中一次這戰報大概已經不一樣的結果了
強力特攻向單純指特攻種族高的精靈,當然強化或眼鏡的更要求操作
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 樓主| 發表於 28/9/2013 05:02 PM | 只看該作者
我認為火鋼不難對付是建基於牠受專愛道具所限, 實際上所有600種族值的PM我都會特別提防~
至於你說"只要對面讀中一次這戰報大概已經不一樣的結果了", 其實有很多對戰, 特別是雙方實力相約的時候, 都是因為一方的"一子錯"而讓戰局傾斜, 所以你這假設令我不解
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發表於 28/9/2013 06:13 PM | 只看該作者
套上專愛道具的限制太大,每一回合的選擇都必須小心注意,我不否認你所提到"一子錯"的概念,同樣對手的操作我也沒有資格點評這一步的對與錯,"只要對面讀中一次這戰報大概已經不一樣的結果了"這一句用了後果論,以後果增加論點的說服力,歸根究柢,我只是想提出即使套上專愛道具,隊伍在應對火鋼上是否真的如你所說的不難對付
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