目前使用的冰雹隊

甲斐剎那

                               
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Abomasnow (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Snow Warning
EVs: 8 HP/100 Atk/148 Def/252 SAtk
Brave nature (+Atk, -Spd)
- Blizzard
- Focus Punch
- Leech Seed
- Substitute
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Lapras (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 HP/6 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Blizzard
- Heal Bell
- Surf
- Thunderbolt
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Gliscor (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/6 Spd
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Knock Off
- Toxic
- Roost
- Aerial Ace
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Clefable (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 42 HP/216 Spd/252 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Wish
- Seismic Toss
- Protect
- Encore
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Tentacruel (♂) @ Black Sludge
Ability: Liquid Ooze
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Surf
- Protect
- Toxic Spikes
- Rapid Spin
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Bronzong @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/6 SDef
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Hypnosis
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Explosion
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冰系骨幹中,放棄了原有的雪女,改成背背龍,一來能做隊醫,二來打擊面廣,本身攻擊力亦較高,能加強隊伍缺乏的攻擊力
巨鉗天蠍唯一的攻擊招式更換了很多次,最後考慮到格鬥系的問題而選用燕返
鋼鐘的招式亦一樣換來換去...現在配法打不動耿鬼,假如是催眠耿鬼,皮可斯被催眠的話會很被動;亦有考慮睡覺,但要換走那招相當頭痛
本隊用了一段時間,感覺不錯,扣血速度很理想,但遇上高打擊面的格鬥系很被動,
早上就被一位運氣好到死的玩家,以爆炸拳與冰拳的怪力+赫拉打殘...(好險最後只輸一隻)事後立即把鋼鍾的物防弄滿

K龍

隊中有著，是否還要故意配上？是很特殊的釘，它不是給予對手傷害，而是給予對手異狀，當然它也是會被旋走，問題係出來的pm也吃了一記了，沒隊醫的話被旋走有什麼問題？即使有隊醫，控制得不好隊醫的狀態回復技消耗的速度也非常快，是否有必要再為配上個人認為值得深思，雖然也不知該換做什麼，不過剎那你之前好像為牠配過u-turn吧？
本人最初也是為配上的，但最後還是換了.........
．格鬥pm先不說對已十分無力了，怎可能繼續硬打？
．三磁怪是一大弱點，防型天蠍的攻擊招一露相而那非的話三磁怪將可以橫打，特別係剎那你這team，如果對手的三磁係有替身的話你可要吃苦頭了，皮可是有升速，但今時今日的三磁唔多唔少也會升下速的，不能想著可以安歌牠連用替身.......而且特攻專的三磁更是暴力，先不說根本無效，強大的10萬，謎之醒覺和，處理得不好將會很惡劣
．屬修 + 剋制為180，屬修後為150，先不說赫拉，對付其他pm其實差不多，而赫拉仍不像其他pm會用冰拳，所以問題不大

隊中太多怕格鬥的pm，不單是格鬥招，包含了格鬥pm可能會配上的地震/岩招等，換言之對的依賴性過高，這點個人認為要留意，因為和下面的問題有關.....
就是個人認為本team的特防實不算高.........雖然有著皮可和水母，但......
．皮可非maxHP，作為盾牌耐力有下降是沒法的事
．水母其實也只是升了max物防，不算是正統特盾
不知你見過這玩意了沒有，早前加分題經常被我搬上

nelson0908

Clefable沒TW?

甲斐剎那

將鋼鐘換成物防max的燈神
隊伍抵抗超能力系攻擊的能力弱了不少,皮可斯被特攻專富迪打過半...
後來想過用燈神代替皮可斯,不過d/p時代很多特攻手都增加了影球,燈神即使特防練滿亦不見得能擋多少次.....
不過燈神的暗影擊拿來針對耿鬼富迪之流很棒....

甲斐剎那

因為d/p中沒增加會高旋的精靈,故此戰對中常見會使用高旋的精靈還不外乎是土偶,頓甲,海星等
操作沒問題的話,這幾隻精靈本隊都能有效對付。
當然,不能完全抹殺其他高旋的例子,考慮把鋼鐘換為燈神。
明天去測試效果如果

anteater

消耗不止是放釘子，放了釘子也不一定就要防止對手除釘。但這隊太依賴釘子了，一定要有鬼系。疑問，雪女的耐久和屬性都不好，真的是防高旋的適當人選？非冰系的那些鬼鬼都不如雪女？未必需要太依賴冰系屬性來抗風雪吧？只要對手消耗得比你快就行了。

會高旋的精靈不多，但屬性能力都差異很大，該如何針對？

nelson0908

其實此隊的目的是讓對方換pm時會重創,防止對方回hp,然後再進一步猛攻,,

但沒雪女防止對方除釘很像...

幻藍

要打耿鬼的話 , 讓天蝎下石釘 , 鋼鐘改用螺旋球可以嗎~.~?

釘子是全隊主要的耗血手段的其中之一吧
沒了雪女是不是應該要針對式地加入對高旋系的pm的攻擊手段?

anteater

原帖由 <i>Sonic</i> 於 30/8/2007 07:43 PM 發表 <a href="https://proxy.archiver.hkpnve.pokebeacon.com/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=529490&ptid=43211" target="_blank"><img src="https://proxy.archiver.hkpnve.pokebeacon.com/images/common/back.gif" border="0" onclick="zoom(this)" onload="attachimg(this, 'load')" alt="" /></a><br />

雪人特性放冰雹後暴風雪100%命中

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是必中，無視命中率，即嚴格來說是不像100%命中的招那樣會被下降命中率。

甲斐剎那

這場打得不錯,作個參考吧。

petersss sent out Abomasnow (Abomasnow ♂).
B|ue Penguin sent out Yanmega (Yanmega ♂).-------------------(令人嘔心的東西....)
Abomasnow's Snow Warning started a blizzard!
Hail began to fall!
emblem47 has entered the room.
B|ue Penguin: hail team O_o
petersss switched in Bronzong (Bronzong).-----------------------(換錯人,忘了鋼鐘沒升特防...)
Yanmega used Protect.
Yanmega protected itself!
The hail continues to fall.
Bronzong is pelted by hail!
Bronzong lost 6% of its health.
Yanmega is pelted by hail!
Yanmega lost 6% of its health.
Bronzong's leftovers restored its health a little!
Bronzong restored 6% of its health.
Yanmega's Speed Boost raised its speed!
---
Twin Edge has entered the room.
B|ue Penguin switched in Dusknoir (Dusknoir ♂).------------------(換得正確,因對方不確定鋼鐘的努力值與配招)
Dusknoir is exerting its pressure!
Bronzong used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around your foe's team!
The hail continues to fall.
Bronzong is pelted by hail!
Bronzong lost 6% of its health.
Dusknoir is pelted by hail!
Dusknoir lost 6% of its health.
Bronzong's leftovers restored its health a little!
Bronzong restored 6% of its health.
Dusknoir's leftovers restored its health a little!
Dusknoir restored 6% of its health.
---
petersss switched in Gliscor (Gliscor ♂).
Dusknoir used Will-o-wisp.
Gliscor was burned!
The hail continues to fall.
Gliscor is pelted by hail!
Gliscor lost 6% of its health.
Dusknoir is pelted by hail!
Dusknoir lost 6% of its health.
Gliscor's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gliscor restored 6% of its health.
Gliscor was hurt by its burn!
Gliscor lost 12% of its health.
Dusknoir's leftovers restored its health a little!
Dusknoir restored 6% of its health.
---
B|ue Penguin switched in Donphan (Donphan ♂).
Pointed stones dug into Donphan.
Donphan lost 6% of its health.
Gliscor used Knock Off.
Gliscor knocked off foe Donphan's Leftovers!
Donphan lost 2% of its health.
The hail continues to fall.
Gliscor is pelted by hail!
Gliscor lost 6% of its health.
Donphan is pelted by hail!
Donphan lost 6% of its health.
Gliscor's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gliscor restored 6% of its health.
Gliscor was hurt by its burn!
Gliscor lost 12% of its health.
---
petersss switched in Lapras (Lapras ♂).-----------------------------(知道是高旋,可惜本隊放棄了雪女,只好換人迫它撤退)
Donphan used Rapid Spin.
Donphan blew away the spikes!
Lapras lost 5% of its health.
The hail continues to fall.
Donphan is pelted by hail!
Donphan lost 6% of its health.
Lapras's leftovers restored its health a little!
Lapras restored 6% of its health.
---
B|ue Penguin switched in Blissey (Blissey ♀).
Lapras used Heal Bell.-----------------------------------------------(天蠍燒傷,多多少少會影響物防能力,加上對方不太可能硬碰,先解除好了)
The hail continues to fall.
Blissey is pelted by hail!
Blissey lost 6% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
---
petersss switched in Gliscor (Gliscor ♂).
Blissey used Calm Mind.----------------------------------------(這玩法最近好像很流行)
Blissey's special attack was raised.
Blissey's special defence was raised.
The hail continues to fall.
Gliscor is pelted by hail!
Gliscor lost 6% of its health.
Blissey is pelted by hail!
Blissey lost 6% of its health.
Gliscor's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gliscor restored 6% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
---
petersss switched in Clefable (Clefable ♂).
Blissey used Ice Beam.
A critical hit!
Clefable lost 49% of its health.
The hail continues to fall.
Clefable is pelted by hail!
Blissey is pelted by hail!
Blissey lost 6% of its health.
Clefable's leftovers restored its health a little!
Clefable restored 6% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
---
Clefable used Encore.--------------------------------------(讓它繼續冥想會吃不消,先迫對方換人)
Blissey got an encore!
Blissey used Ice Beam.
Clefable lost 22% of its health.
The hail continues to fall.
Clefable is pelted by hail!
Blissey is pelted by hail!
Blissey lost 6% of its health.
Clefable's leftovers restored its health a little!
Clefable restored 6% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
---
B|ue Penguin switched in Weavile (Weavile ♂).
Weavile is exerting its pressure!
Clefable used Wish.
Clefable made a wish!
The hail continues to fall.
Clefable is pelted by hail!
Clefable's leftovers restored its health a little!
Clefable restored 6% of its health.
---
Clefable used Protect.
Clefable protected itself!
Weavile used Ice Punch.
Clefable protected itself!
The hail continues to fall.
Clefable is pelted by hail!
Clefable's leftovers restored its health a little!
Clefable restored 6% of its health.
The wish came true!
Clefable restored 50% of its health.
---
petersss switched in Bronzong (Bronzong).
Weavile used Ice Punch.
It's not very effective...
Bronzong lost 17% of its health.
The hail continues to fall.
Bronzong is pelted by hail!
Bronzong lost 6% of its health.
Bronzong's leftovers restored its health a little!
Bronzong restored 6% of its health.
---
B|ue Penguin switched in Dusknoir (Dusknoir ♂).
Dusknoir is exerting its pressure!
Bronzong used Hypnosis.
Dusknoir fell asleep!
The hail continues to fall.
Bronzong is pelted by hail!
Bronzong lost 6% of its health.
Dusknoir is pelted by hail!
Dusknoir lost 6% of its health.
Bronzong's leftovers restored its health a little!
Bronzong restored 6% of its health.
Dusknoir's leftovers restored its health a little!
Dusknoir restored 6% of its health.
---
B|ue Penguin switched in Gyarados (Gyarados ♂).
Gyarados's intimidate cut Bronzong's attack!
Bronzong used Stealth Rock.
The hail continues to fall.
Bronzong is pelted by hail!
Bronzong lost 6% of its health.
Gyarados is pelted by hail!
Gyarados lost 6% of its health.
Bronzong's leftovers restored its health a little!
Bronzong restored 6% of its health.
Gyarados's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gyarados restored 6% of its health.
---
petersss switched in Lapras (Lapras ♂).-----------------------------(這著很冒險,龍舞後使用石刃有機會秒殺沒物防的背背龍。為了抵抗鯉魚龍,考慮更改背背龍的努力值分配)
Gyarados used Dragon Dance.
Gyarados's attack was raised.
Gyarados's speed was raised.
The hail continues to fall.
Gyarados is pelted by hail!
Gyarados lost 6% of its health.
Gyarados's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gyarados restored 6% of its health.
---
B|ue Penguin switched in Blissey (Blissey ♀).
Pointed stones dug into Blissey.
Blissey lost 12% of its health.
Lapras used Thunderbolt.
Blissey lost 11% of its health.
The hail continues to fall.
Blissey is pelted by hail!
Blissey lost 6% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
---
petersss switched in Abomasnow (Abomasnow ♂).
Abomasnow's Snow Warning started a blizzard!
Blissey used Thunderbolt.------------------------------------------(10萬+冷凍光+冥想,剩下一招極可能是生蛋或香薰,雪人可爭取主動權)
It's not very effective...
Abomasnow lost 12% of its health.
The hail continues to fall.
Blissey is pelted by hail!
Blissey lost 6% of its health.
Abomasnow's leftovers restored its health a little!
Abomasnow restored 6% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
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B|ue Penguin switched in Dusknoir (Dusknoir ♂).---------------(看來對方隊伍缺乏抵抗雪人強攻的手段,竟換上被催眠的燈神.....)
Dusknoir is exerting its pressure!
Pointed stones dug into Dusknoir.
Dusknoir lost 12% of its health.
Abomasnow used Substitute.
Abomasnow lost 25% of its health.
Abomasnow made a substitute!
The hail continues to fall.
Dusknoir is pelted by hail!
Dusknoir lost 6% of its health.
Abomasnow's leftovers restored its health a little!
Abomasnow restored 6% of its health.
Dusknoir's leftovers restored its health a little!
Dusknoir restored 6% of its health.
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Abomasnow used Blizzard.
Dusknoir lost 43% of its health.
Dusknoir is fast asleep!
The hail continues to fall.
Dusknoir is pelted by hail!
Dusknoir lost 6% of its health.
Abomasnow's leftovers restored its health a little!
Abomasnow restored 6% of its health.
Dusknoir's leftovers restored its health a little!
Dusknoir restored 6% of its health.
---
Abomasnow used Blizzard.
Dusknoir lost 45% of its health.------------------------------(配合岩礫+下雪,2次就做掉防禦力優秀的燈神,可見暴風雪的威力不是蓋的)
B|ue Penguin's Dusknoir fainted.
The hail continues to fall.
Abomasnow's leftovers restored its health a little!
Abomasnow restored 6% of its health.
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B|ue Penguin switched in Weavile (Weavile ♂).
Weavile is exerting its pressure!
Pointed stones dug into Weavile.
Weavile lost 25% of its health.
Abomasnow is tightening its focus!
Weavile used Ice Punch.
The substitute took damage for Abomasnow!
Abomasnow's substitute faded!---------------------------(為了打掉替身而變成可憐的炮灰)
Abomasnow used Focus Punch.
It's super effective!
Weavile lost 256% of its health.
B|ue Penguin's Weavile fainted.
The hail continues to fall.
Abomasnow's leftovers restored its health a little!
Abomasnow restored 6% of its health.
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B|ue Penguin: lol i am soo lost, i have no clue what your pokemon do >_>
petersss: o
B|ue Penguin switched in Yanmega (Yanmega ♂).
Pointed stones dug into Yanmega.
Yanmega lost 50% of its health.
petersss switched in Tentacruel (Tentacruel ♂).
Yanmega used Hypnosis.-------------------------------(超陽瑪其中一處嘔心的地方...)
Tentacruel fell asleep!
The hail continues to fall.
Tentacruel is pelted by hail!
Tentacruel lost 6% of its health.
Yanmega is pelted by hail!
Yanmega lost 6% of its health.
Tentacruel's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Tentacruel restored 6% of its health.
Yanmega's Speed Boost raised its speed!
---
petersss switched in Bronzong (Bronzong).
Yanmega used Bug Buzz.
Bronzong lost 57% of its health.----------------------(果然,沒升過特防被打過半.....)
Yanmega lost 10% of its health.
The hail continues to fall.
Bronzong is pelted by hail!
Bronzong lost 6% of its health.
Yanmega is pelted by hail!
Yanmega lost 6% of its health.
Bronzong's leftovers restored its health a little!
Bronzong restored 6% of its health.
Yanmega's Speed Boost raised its speed!
---
petersss switched in Tentacruel (Tentacruel ♂).
Yanmega used Bug Buzz.
It's not very effective...
Tentacruel lost 27% of its health.-----------------(水母的確是優秀的屬性盾牌,沒練特防已能有效抗衡超陽瑪的猛攻。補充,水母物防max,被火雞的雷拳攻擊,不知是否沒練物攻,只扣30%...)
Yanmega lost 10% of its health.
The hail continues to fall.
Tentacruel is pelted by hail!
Tentacruel lost 6% of its health.
Yanmega is pelted by hail!
Yanmega lost 6% of its health.
Tentacruel's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Tentacruel restored 6% of its health.
Yanmega's Speed Boost raised its speed!
---
Tentacruel is fast asleep
Yanmega used Bug Buzz.
It's not very effective...
Tentacruel lost 24% of its health.
Yanmega lost 10% of its health.
B|ue Penguin's Yanmega fainted.------------------------(中了一次岩礫加上下雪不斷扣血,被耗死了)
The hail continues to fall.
Tentacruel is pelted by hail!
Tentacruel lost 6% of its health.
Tentacruel's Black Sludge restored a little health!
Tentacruel restored 6% of its health.
---
B|ue Penguin switched in Donphan (Donphan ♂).
Pointed stones dug into Donphan.
Donphan lost 6% of its health.
petersss switched in Gliscor (Gliscor ♂).
Donphan used Rapid Spin.
Donphan blew away the spikes!
Gliscor lost 3% of its health.
The hail continues to fall.
Gliscor is pelted by hail!
Gliscor lost 6% of its health.
Donphan is pelted by hail!
Donphan lost 6% of its health.
Gliscor's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gliscor restored 6% of its health.
---
Donphan used Ice Shard.
It's super effective!
A critical hit!--------------------------------------(吃了一記悶棍,本來還能回血,現在只剩下20%血量....)
Gliscor lost 51% of its health.
Gliscor used Toxic.
Donphan was badly poisoned!
The hail continues to fall.
Gliscor is pelted by hail!
Gliscor lost 6% of its health.
Donphan is pelted by hail!
Donphan lost 6% of its health.
Gliscor's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gliscor restored 6% of its health.
Donphan is hurt by poison!
Donphan lost 6% of its health.
---
petersss switched in Lapras (Lapras ♂).
Donphan used Ice Shard.
It's not very effective...
Lapras lost 2% of its health.
The hail continues to fall.
Donphan is pelted by hail!
Donphan lost 6% of its health.
Lapras's leftovers restored its health a little!
Lapras restored 6% of its health.
Donphan is hurt by poison!
Donphan lost 12% of its health.
---
B|ue Penguin switched in Blissey (Blissey ♀).
Lapras used Blizzard.
Blissey lost 21% of its health.
The hail continues to fall.
Blissey is pelted by hail!
Blissey lost 6% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
---
petersss switched in Bronzong (Bronzong).
Blissey used Softboiled.
Blissey restored 50% of its health.
The hail continues to fall.
Bronzong is pelted by hail!
Bronzong lost 6% of its health.
Blissey is pelted by hail!
Blissey lost 6% of its health.
Bronzong's leftovers restored its health a little!
Bronzong restored 6% of its health.
Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
Blissey restored 6% of its health.
---
Blissey used Ice Beam.
It's not very effective...
Bronzong lost 9% of its health.
Bronzong used Explosion.-----------------------(對方剩下頓甲,蛋,鯉魚龍,隨便炸掉一隻都對我方有利)
A critical hit!
Blissey lost 188% of its health.
B|ue Penguin's Blissey fainted.
petersss's Bronzong fainted.
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petersss switched in Lapras (Lapras ♂).
B|ue Penguin switched in Gyarados (Gyarados ♂).
Gyarados's intimidate cut Lapras's attack!
B|ue Penguin switched in Donphan (Donphan ♂).
Lapras used Thunderbolt.--------------------------------(這裡隨手了,直接暴風雪也能2招做掉鯉魚龍)
It doesn't affect Donphan...
The hail continues to fall.
Donphan is pelted by hail!
Donphan lost 6% of its health.
Donphan is hurt by poison!
Donphan lost 6% of its health.
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Donphan used Ice Shard.
It's not very effective...
Lapras lost 2% of its health.
Lapras used Blizzard.
It's super effective!
A critical hit!
Donphan lost 287% of its health.
B|ue Penguin's Donphan fainted.
The hail continues to fall.
Lapras's leftovers restored its health a little!
Lapras restored 6% of its health.
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B|ue Penguin switched in Gyarados (Gyarados ♂).
Gyarados's intimidate cut Lapras's attack!
Gyarados used Earthquake.
Lapras lost 28% of its health.
Lapras used Thunderbolt.
It's super effective!
A critical hit!
Gyarados lost 188% of its health.
B|ue Penguin's Gyarados fainted.
petersss wins!
petersss: gg
B|ue Penguin: gg
B|ue Penguin has left the room.