香港寵物小精靈村落 論壇

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作者: berber29    時間: 17/5/2014 11:19 PM
標題: 隊伍求評


Charizard-Mega-Y @ Charizardite Y
Ability: Drought
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Heat Wave
- Flamethrower
- Solar Beam
- Air Slash

Garchomp @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Rush
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake
- Iron Tail

Greninja @ Leftovers
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Extrasensory
- Dark Pulse

Mienshao @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 SDef
Jolly Nature
- Drain Punch
- U-turn
- High Jump Kick
- Bulk Up

Rotom-Wash @ Splash Plate
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Modest Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Protect
- Thunderbolt
- Shadow Ball

Venusaur @ Focus Sash
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 HP
Modest Nature
- Sunny Day
- Energy Ball
- SolarBeam
- Sleep Powder



first fight of this team
Format:
VGC 2014
Rated battle
Species Clause: Limit one of each Pokemon
Item Clause: Limit one of each item
berman's team:
Charizard / Garchomp / Greninja / Mienshao / Rotom-Wash / Venusaur
UncleBrian's team:
Rotom-Frost / Chesnaught / Pinsir / Chandelure / Crawdaunt / Umbreon
Battle between UncleBrian and berman started!
UncleBrian sent out Executioner (Pinsir)!
UncleBrian sent out Optimus (Chesnaught)!
Go! Mienshao!
Go! Greninja!
Turn 1
Battle timer is now ON: inactive players will automatically lose when time's up. (requested by berman)
Pinsir has Mega Evolved into Mega Pinsir!
The opposing Executioner used Protect!
The opposing Executioner protected itself!
Greninja's Protean made it the Ice type!
Greninja used Ice Beam!
It's super effective! The opposing Optimus lost 100% of its health!
The opposing Optimus fainted!
Mienshao used U-turn!
The opposing Executioner protected itself!
UncleBrian sent out Soul (Chandelure)!
Turn 2
You have 150 seconds to make your decision.
The opposing Soul used Protect!
The opposing Soul protected itself!
Greninja's Protean made it the Water type!
Greninja used Hydro Pump!
The opposing Soul protected itself!
Mienshao used U-turn!
It's not very effective... The opposing Executioner lost 10.5–12.5% of its health!
You have 150 seconds to make your decision.
Mienshao went back to berman!
Go! Charizard!
The opposing Executioner used Close Combat!
Greninja lost 76.4% of its health!
The opposing Executioner's Defense fell!
The opposing Executioner's Special Defense fell!
Greninja restored HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 3
You have 150 seconds to make your decision.
UncleBrian withdrew Soul (Chandelure)!
UncleBrian sent out RedLobster (Crawdaunt)!
The sunlight turned harsh!
Charizard has Mega Evolved into Mega Charizard!
The opposing Executioner used Protect!
The opposing Executioner protected itself!
Greninja used Hydro Pump!
It's not very effective... The opposing RedLobster lost 27.2–29.2% of its health!
Charizard used Flamethrower!
The opposing Executioner protected itself!
Greninja restored HP using its Leftovers!
Turn 4
You have 150 seconds to make your decision.
Greninja, come back!
Go! Mienshao!
The opposing Executioner used Close Combat!
Mienshao lost 91.4% of its health!
The opposing Executioner's Defense fell!
The opposing Executioner's Special Defense fell!
Mienshao is switched out with the Eject Button!
You have 150 seconds to make your decision.
Mienshao, come back!
Go! Venusaur!
Charizard used Flamethrower!
It's super effective! The opposing Executioner lost 87.5–89.5% of its health!
The opposing Executioner fainted!
The opposing RedLobster used Knock Off!
Charizard lost 81.8% of its health!
UncleBrian sent out Soul (Chandelure)!
Turn 5
You have 150 seconds to make your decision.
Venusaur, come back!
Go! Greninja!
The opposing RedLobster used Aqua Jet!
It's super effective! Charizard lost 18.2% of its health!
Charizard fainted!
The opposing Soul used Heat Wave!
Greninja avoided the attack!
Greninja restored HP using its Leftovers!
You have 150 seconds to make your decision.
Go! Venusaur!
Turn 6
You have 150 seconds to make your decision.
UncleBrian has 120 seconds left.
The server is restarting soon.
Please finish your battles quickly. No new battles can be started until the server resets in a few minutes.
Venusaur used SolarBeam!
Venusaur absorbed light!
It's super effective! The opposing RedLobster lost 70.8–72.8% of its health!
The opposing RedLobster fainted!
Greninja's Protean made it the Water type!
Greninja used Hydro Pump!
It's super effective! The opposing Soul lost 60.5–62.5% of its health!
The opposing Soul used Energy Ball!
It's super effective! Greninja lost 41.9% of its health!
Greninja fainted!
You have 150 seconds to make your decision.
Go! Mienshao!
Turn 7
You have 150 seconds to make your decision.
Venusaur used Sleep Powder!
The opposing Soul fell asleep!
Mienshao used Bulk Up!
Mienshao's Attack rose!
Mienshao's Defense rose!
The opposing Soul is fast asleep.
The sunlight faded.
Turn 8
You have 150 seconds to make your decision.
Mienshao used U-turn!
It's not very effective... The opposing Soul lost 8.4–12.4% of its health!
Venusaur used Sunny Day!
The sunlight turned harsh!
The opposing Soul is fast asleep.
Turn 9
You have 150 seconds to make your decision.
The opposing Soul is fast asleep.
Venusaur used Sleep Powder!
The opposing Soul is already asleep.
Mienshao used U-turn!
It's not very effective... The opposing Soul lost 8.4–12.4% of its health!
Turn 10
You have 150 seconds to make your decision.
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Venusaur used SolarBeam!
Venusaur absorbed light!
It's not very effective... The opposing Soul lost 16.7–18.7% of its health!
The opposing Soul fainted!
berman won the battle!

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作者: 跳跳虎    時間: 20/5/2014 01:50 PM
精靈有好多重覆既招式，令精靂每次上場既戰術單一，建議改一改佢。
比如噴火龍既熱風同火噴可以2選1，我會選火噴因為冇MISS既危險。另一招可以係鬼火做扞擾，或者RP彈或陽光烈焰加大打擊面。
另外地龍，潛龍同鋼尾命中都吾穩，可以轉用龍爪，火牙都吾錯。
居士既High Jump Kick同吸收拳都係格鬥招，多數只放一招，如果要封門就考量接力。
奇異花就......我明白2招草係想有晴天就用陽光，冇就另一招(最好遺傳極級吸收)...但打擊面低到不行，覺醒火幾乎係必備，晴天仲有加成tim至於草用邊招，能原球/極級吸收當然較穩，但如果奇異花既作用只係晴天上場，吾做防禦，陽光都可以。放晴轉生長，睡粉都可以轉毒彈，畢竟高速清場都要打擊面。道具用黑泥好似比較好。

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作者: abbozto    時間: 20/5/2014 09:16 PM
標題/隊伍煩請標明雙打/VGC
不看戰報我還不知該怎樣說
而且居士的道具有出入

雙打的話，噴火龍Y多數會用熱風，原因不用說明？
居士應該沒有多少機會強化才對，除非讀對手保護/替換？
下馬威，打落都是不錯的選擇
奇異花醒覺火不算必備但的確很有用，自行在毒爆彈和覺火之間取捨吧

至於沒上場的電鬼，多數影球你是用不著的
放個鬼火（不論噴火龍有沒有配）保護總是能救你一命的

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作者: HimTE    時間: 23/5/2014 11:24 PM


唔睇戰報真係唔知原來係vgc...

先要講講保護既問題，如果道具唔係專受系列既話建議加番保護呢招上去（除非你真係有非常特殊既原因先唔用），有保護起你打雙打個陣係會異常地方便

跟住可以遂隻寵去睇，首先噴火Y：

現時流行既vgc14配招係熱風＋陽光烈焰＋保護＋過熱卅原始之力卅風氣切割
頭3招可以話係必配，最後個招因人而異，但係大部分人都係揀過熱，起放晴下本屬既過熱可以一擊殺到而家流行既max速mega袋獸，呢點非常重要，因為起vgc入面可以秒殺到mega袋獸既寵真係一隻手數得晒（強化寵除外）
而原始之力卅風氣切割就唔太推擅，雖原始之力有一定針對性（打對面4倍火雀卅噴火Y)，但係除此之外就豪無用處，交比隊友負責仲好

到地龍，最熱門既vgc地龍道具有rocky helmet，lum berry，focus sash等等，多數帶rocky helmet目的就係想減輕隊伍對物理攻擊既負擔（由其係mega袋獸，每turn打2野，自身rough skin＋rocky helmet已經可以扣佢成半條血），lum berry就防異常狀態尤其係鬼火，focus sash就係地龍打地龍/快過你既龍系打你呢d情況下用到，配招基本都係公式：地震＋崩石＋龍爪＋保護（如果係玩專愛系列既話保護可以轉鋼頭卅毒刺去克妖精系）

到新水主，攻擊向水主熱門道具基本上只有2個，life orb卅focus sash，前者增加damage後者保命，但係以我所知就係無人用剩飯....
配招並無大問題，值得一試既招係mat block，vgc入面既新水主極常有呢招，配合自身高速度可以幫隊友block一下攻擊，效果唔錯

到mienshao，起vgc入面mienshao其實係一個非常給力既support黎，有fake out，wide guard，quick quard
而且佢速度比mega袋獸/地龍等等快，所以其實唔需要choice scarf。
多數既配法就係fake out＋high jump kick/drain punch＋wide guard/quick guard/rock slide（3選2），wide guard可以幫自己隊噴火Y防崩石，係一個幾好既support招黎，而多數道具就係帶focus sash（起場上留得幾耐就幾耐）

到rotom.. 首先我認為你個努力值要深思一下，對於rotom黎講252/252/4既分法一定唔係最好。
多數既rotom係高耐為主（當然都有choice spec型rotom，但係非常之少），詳細既努力值分法可以睇睇呢條片：https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XflRJXcNOBU。除左努力值外其他都係非常公式，招分別係10萬＋水柱＋鬼火＋保護，道具為sitrus berry較為最多

到奇異花了，你呢隊team主題係噴火Y既放晴隊，配合奇異花既雙倍速黎壓制人。而道具方面，其實唔需要focus sash（你個隊有好多人搶住用focus sash LOL），反倒life orb之類可以增加傷害，令佢起晴天下更暴力會比較好。
同埋呢一排興緊放晴team雙mega，意思為噴火mega Y+奇異mega，噴火為mega時奇異照帶出去但唔mega，奇異mega時唔帶噴火龍既玩法，可以比到人一個驚喜都唔定。
配招應該都係幾公式，極吸/能量球（個人推擅極吸）＋污泥爆彈＋保護/光合作用＋催眠粉/寄生種子


整體黎講呢副team其實唔錯，尤其係聯防方面，噴火Y同mienshao既時候有wide guard防rock slide，mega奇異同mienshao既時候亦有quick guard防talonflame brave bird（基本上全vgc得佢1隻會帶飛系招lol）
打擊面亦唔差，但係差就差在呢6隻都係經常見到，基本上打開vgc既人一眼就會睇穿你想做乜，容易讀你心



不過最重要一句，雖未睇戰報，就咁睇樓主你既配招同道具就知道你唔單止少接觸VGC同雙打，而且應該仲未好熟pkm既對戰環境  我建議你除左打vgc仲可以打下其他唔同既野，吸收多d pkm既基本對戰知識同經驗先～

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作者: abbozto    時間: 24/5/2014 07:02 PM
Aaron Zheng的洗衣機分析

補充樓上幾點
1. 有關保護︰最重點的是首回合擋下（氾濫的）mega袋獸下馬威（也包括其他下馬威眾，不過袋獸打出的傷害就算最高了），己方地龍的地震（免得要用地震打對方時隊友受傷），先讀對方集中攻擊一隻，還有環境技的拖回合
2. 隊伍最高速的是晴天下的奇異花，最低速是電鬼，只要首發選得好的話要解決順風炎隼或一血巾化石飛龍都不難（例如師父鼬下馬威+地龍岩崩）。問題是欺空，像細胞和鬼燈這種就是了，前者厚血後者無效化下馬威，鬼燈還有專愛圍巾的玩法，要留意對方隊伍來判斷。一旦欺空放了出來你的隊伍會很慘這時候保護的作用就是拖回合了。
3. 師父鼬還可以考慮整體使用率偏低的佯攻，針對對方（無腦？）地震/放電+保護的場合伏對方一個回合，甚至是集中攻擊一隻時利用佯攻確保隊友成功打中目標。又或者是針對性高的打落（試過鬼燈被打落秒殺）

反正樓上貼了洗衣機那影片，順帶貼上Aaron的VGC指南作參考和招式修改的考慮
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0QAVuzpa5k

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作者: HimTE    時間: 24/5/2014 08:04 PM

abbozto 發表於 24/5/2014 07:02 PM

                               
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Aaron Zheng的洗衣機分析

補充樓上幾點

不過其實如果對方識放欺空既話，樓主呢隊基本上無乜可能阻止到對方放
舉個例對方係袋獸＋一血巾鬼燈就已經無解了
正因為咁，多數隊伍裡面既6隻寵速度最好都唔好太極端，有快亦有慢會比較好，起欺空下都確保唔會比人壓住黎打，
同時挑撥/欺空抵消亦都係你既好幫手，不過正確d黎講想隊伍完善d既話改一改d寵會好d

不過樓上第3點講過個point我都幾認同，之前我打對面隻雷超個陣，以為佢會出下馬威所以我就保護左，點知佢反讀心佯攻跟住再比佢另一隻寵打死左，呢個就係逆meta game既屈機之處lol


提外話：識睇一定睇Aaron Zheng d片 我新加入vgc個陣都係睇佢d片學野 不過黎緊都無得再打VGC了;_;

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